Sunday, September 24, 2017

Is Trump's new "compromise" really a compromise?


Image result for political cartoon on new DACA


Most people are aware that the DACA provides security around undocumented children born in the U.S, as well as Trump’s standpoint as of a couple weeks ago that ensured everyone he was not a fan of supporting “dreamers,” something Democrats were not happy with. After altering his views, and essentially the intention of the agreement, while dining over Chinese food at the White House with Senate Minority Leader Charles Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, they came to an agreement; DACA would promote a new ideology to Trump-provide more border patrol security, not the wall. However, Trump immediately declared that the protections would end after just six months and almost immediately signaled that he wanted to strike a deal to arrange them legislatively, as he still has intentions on pursuing the wall “later” in a series of tweets followed by the announcement, leaving wiggle room for Trump as well has his unhappy Republicans.  

Do you think this plan will last? Why or why not?

Is this actually a compromise?

What severity will this have on the future? (I know this is vague-but think about the lack of diversity that can come from this act in the future)

13 comments:

  1. IF we eliminate DACA and start to drive Latinos out of or country by using state or local governments to detain and deport people. This poses the bigger issue of driving a wedge between the very delicate balance of trust with Police and the local community. This will lead to a larger rift between these two balancing acts, making a larger split over all increasing crime because fear to report. This will increase overall crime in the US and more importantly we will have a strong dislike from many minority groups. With the large improvements we have made introducing more women and people of color into congress and other higher positions. This would be a huge setback for the improvement of diversity and it will cut our labor force significantly.

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  2. 2) Although it may seem like a compromise, the decision to support DACA, is not compromise in actuality. This past month, President Trump showed support for DACA in his willingness to work with the Democrats on the program. However, he has also insisted that “The wall will come later” and he's “not looking at citizenship” for DACA recipients. On the contrary, Democrats have clearly explained that the wall is not part of the deal and under DACA, people can gain citizenship overtime. This inconsistency shows that although President Trump has agreed to support DACA, he has not gotten anything that he's asked for and therefore this is not a compromise.

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  3. I believe this is a compromise on Trump's part. He ran on extremely conservative promises, such as building a wall, and has not been empathetic towards illegal immigrants residing in our country during his campaign and during his time in office. He was set on removing the DACA deal and he is now compromising with the Democrats. He is overcoming the extreme political polarization and reaching across the aisle to create something that will benefit many immigrants: keeping DACA. This is a lot for Trump to give considering that all he is getting in return is some added border security, when what he really wants is a wall.

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  4. Whether the plan will last or not will be left up to Congress. If they are able to reinstate DACA through their own legislation in this six month issue, then the deal will be completed. It's hard, however, to say whether this deal is a compromise. It seems as though it would be considering Trump's previous stance and plans regarding illegal immigration, but he has been known to distance himself from the right of the Republican Party through support for more centralist ideals. In the end, Trump's biggest problem with DACA was that it was an unconstitutional executive order, not that it protected those who entered the country as minors. So, in return for allowing Congress to recreate DACA the right way, he gets another added bonus of border security. I doubt that after six months no legislation would surface and all Dreamers would be deported. As of now, I suspect that the dilemma will do relatively little to the current diverse makeup of the country.

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    1. DACA was never declared unconstitutional. DAPA was struck down mostly on procedural issues, but DACA never really had its day in court.

      http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/sep/11/eric-schneiderman/has-daca-been-ruled-unconstitutional/

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  5. This plan does not seem like it will last. Due to Trump's intentions to build a wall and his decision to rid DACA within 6 months, the plan proposed won't last very long since the deal was keep DACA, add more border security. It doesn't seem like there actually was a compromise in the long run due to Trump still confirming on Twitter that he was still going to build the wall, which was against the "compromise" he was asked to. These actions that Trump is currently committing will have serious set-backs to the improvement in diversity, since Trump is attempting to remove immigrants that already have a place in the US, rather then allowing them to stay. Also, Trump's idea to build a wall would be a huge waste in money, considering the wall will cost $70 billion dollars to make and an annual $150 million to maintain, which is too much money to be spending for a wall that probably won't be as effective as Trump assumes so.

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  6. The plan suggested will last the 6 months as suggested, but of course, after the six months, everything is to the whim of Trump. The border protection increase also seems like it will fall short of being a long term solution. The compromise that was suggested was essentially an agreement that was rescinded the instant the conversation was over. In the future, this may suggest that compromises will never be reached with Trump, and that all time spent towards a compromise is wasted time, as it will be rescinded immediately afterwards.

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  7. I believe that this was not a compromise because both parties came to an agreement that there would be no wall, but increased boarder protection. Clearly, this compromise failed after president Trump started tweeting about the wall and saying, "The wall will come later". At this point, compromising with Trump seems impossible because he likes to stand up for his values and is very adamant when he wants something, for example, the wall. Adding on, Trump makes claims about DACA being unconstitutional when DACA ha never been to court. Fake accusations and claims is what gets Trump what he wants.In this case, this was not a compromise because he still advocates the building of the wall.

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  8. I think that this plan will only last 6 months-as Trump said. After this, Trump will try for a wall again and likely get rid of all remnants of DACA. I think that Trump has made an attempt at a compromise, which for him is sort of a big deal. However, since I do not think he will go along with this 'compromise', it is not much of a compromise. For the future, I think that removing DACA is removing a wonderful way to put people on the pathway to citizenship. This will be cruel to the children who were raised here and will be deported to a country they have never lived in.

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  9. Trump has painted himself into a corner with his long history of grand rhetoric. If he eases on him immigration stance, there is little chance of him winning over anyone at this point and his loyal supporters would rip him apart. On the other hand, and this seems to be the current reality, he can keep on spouting what he always has until he talked himself off a cliff he can't climb out of. He can keep claiming that he'll build a wall, but the fact that it seems to have been pushed back in his timeline as well as the Mexican president being firmly against paying for it, the odds of it being constructed seem to be slimming. The decision with the Dems that he made seems like more of a non-decision. His plans seem only slightly changed and the democrats feel appeased. As Trump's self imposed deadlines roll along it will be interesting to see how he'll rise to the occasion.
    -Jackson Gravagno

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  10. 3. By enacting this, there will be a serious issue in the future with regards to labor jobs. With immigrants being the majority of labor workers in the farm system, we will have much less people working in agriculture. Thus, the lack of workers would mean a major issue for farmers who need require their crops to be maintained, which could have grave effects in the near future.

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  11. Although Trump seems to be making a compromise, the essential intention of agreement on DACA is not an actual compromise. Yes, his views on DACA was altered after a discussion with Congress minority leaders. However, his stances on his policies other than “the wall” are much too inconsistent to call his announcements on something like DACA a compromise. It is also not much of a compromise when Trump immediately declares the end of protection for dreamers after just six months. In addition to his inconsistency in policy making, Trump has also had a history of going back on his words numerous times even after his inauguration, therefore any sort of compromise made in this discussion with Minority Leaders Charles Schumer and Nancy Pelosi probably will not last very long.

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  12. I personally feel that the plan will not last as he is constantly changing what he wants and trying to change up deals he has made. I feel it will last until the 6 month mark, as aforementioned, and then it will be changed or altered again

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